5. I expect you have probably heard of C. Peter Wagner (the Church Growth guru out of the infamous Fuller Theological Seminary). What does Wagner have to do with Abbotsford, you might ask? The answer will surprise you, and I hope, disturb you.

(BTW, Please, if you notice that I am failing to adequately establish a point or a connection would you call me on it. I am trying to keep this blog short and concise, but sometimes I may be too brief and fail you in this regard. There is generally no shortage of support material that I could use.)

Wagner has made himself the new pope over the Evangelical Church. (Okay, he calls himself the "Convening Apostle", but in theory and in practice I can hardly see the difference).

Wagner has a plan for your church. He wanted to call his plan "post denominationalism" but it wasn't flying. So, he changed it to "The New Apostolic Reformation". Wagner would tell us that, just like the reformation under Luther in which "salvation by faith" was restored to the Church, this new Reformation will restore to the Church it's apostolic foundation; a foundation of modern day apostles that is. And he has appointed 24 apostles under himself to bring this about.

Instead of Churches being led or governed by their denominations, they will be led by the apostles of their city, in a hierarchical line all the way up to Pope Wagner himself.
http://www.globalharvest.org/index.asp?action=doctor (scroll to the very end of the article for the list of names)


Two of Wagner's Roundtable apostles are Canadian.

Have you heard of Alistair Petrie of Partnership Ministries out of Kelowna, and Mel Mullen of Word of Life Church in Red Deer.

Perhaps you have been invited to a conference at his Church?

The plan goes something like this;
a) get all the Churches to start getting together in each city, (city-wide prayer or worship gatherings, Alpha initiatives, pastoral retreats, encourage pastors to read Jack Dennison's book, City Reaching...etc.).

b) begin to establish apostles over each city. (Dennison prefers to use the word "elders")

According to the Hope -Vancouver Transformation Lower Mainland minutes to the meeting on October 21, 2002, http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cityreach/021021.html
those "apostolic" leaders for Abbotsford were Korky Neufeld and Ken Greter. (remember them and their affiliations?)

I am not sure who the "apostolic leaders" are at present, I'm thinking Ken Greter is too busy with Todd Bentley's ministry to give apostolic leadership to Abbotsford. (After being questioned about what they were up to, the Hope -Vancouver pages ceased to be updated, and one chart was pulled off the web so fast that it messed up the formatting for the rest of the page. (A very significant chart, I might add, which I will probably share with you at some point).

Are the new leaders, leading through the ACLN? Or did they just go away?

Read Jack Dennison's article again, for a refresher as to what they're planning for Abbotsford. There is a summary on the Hope - Vancouver page. http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cityreach/index.html (City Reaching...)
Read about the paradigm shift that you are to make,

"change from local congregations to a regional Church" ,

"Change from established leadership to emerging leadership".

Which may cause you to ask, "Where exactly are these new leaders going to emerge from'? Well, Dennison says, they "cannot be volunteers who appoint themselves, nor can they be selected, appointed or voted into position by others. Rather, they must come to the forefront through a spiritual process of identification and affirmation of God's call on their lives."

And most of all, "You (pastor) will be expected to submit to the leadership of (these) city-wide elders".

And to bring about this reformation Wagner has appointed two apostles,
Cindy Jacobs his "National Apostle" (the nation being the U.S.)
and his mobilizing apostle (who is also a Roundtable apostle), Chuck Pierce.

Notice on the Hope - Vancouver web page under ministry tools, there is a "prophetic word" Click on it and who do you get a prophetic word from? Chuck Pierce and Cindy Jacobs at Mel Mullen's Church in Red Deer.
Are you beginning to see a connection?

Chuck Pierce and Todd Bentley, Patricia King and David Demian of Watchmen for the Nations were the key speakers at the "Strategic Keys Conference in Vancouver June of 2005.
Another of Wagner's apostles from out of California Che Ahn, often ministers in Todd Bentley's meetings. All this said to give you an example of how stable and discerning these apostles of Wagner's are.

Are you starting to get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach?

In His service, A. Berean